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This week on the ABCA podcast is ABCA ATEC High School Division 3 coach of the Year Blanchard High School Head Coach Josh Raney the 19 year head coach has led Blanchard to four Oklahoma state championships in the last 10 years.
Rainey has built the Blanchard High School program on keeping things simple by being great at the small things that help win baseball games. The Lions went 35 1, capturing the 2025 Oklahoma 4A state championship. Blanchard is now the second Oklahoma coach being awarded this honor, joining ABC hall of famer Larry Turner with an amazing 510 and 122 career record. Let's welcome Josh Rain to the podcast.
[00:03:21] Speaker B: No, that's. I. I tell people all the time, I. I said that's what makes. I feel like me a good coach is like, you know, the dudes that, you know, like, were touched by God. They're just gifted. They don't really know what makes them go, you know what I'm saying? Where me, like, I'm the juco D2 struggle bus kind of dude, trying to figure it out, you know?
[00:03:41] Speaker A: So I think those make the best coaches.
[00:03:44] Speaker B: Yeah, no doubt.
[00:03:45] Speaker A: I think they're the best coaches because they've dealt with failure.
You know, they always talk about Ted Williams. Ted Williams was an awful hitting coach because guys couldn't do it the way that he did it.
[00:03:57] Speaker B: Yeah, no doubt.
[00:03:58] Speaker A: He had a hard time dealing with guys that couldn't hit. And that's a majority of the guys that you coach.
[00:04:06] Speaker B: No doubt.
No doubt.
And we're pretty fortunate. You know, I made a good relationship with. With Mike. Mike Brumley. I met him at a clinic, and he's, you know, before he passed away with this tragic, you know, his car accident. But, I mean, I just. I wouldn't let him leave the table.
And we talk because there was a lot of similarities of the style that we teach, but he was so much more advanced and cleaner in it.
And I got him to come to Blanchard, Oklahoma, in 2016, him and his son Logan, and they've been coming ever since. He.
We pay him. He does a little, like, a clinic to kick off our season.
And, you know, Mike passed away last year, but Logan still came up. And Logan's smart. I mean, he's just like, you know, like, I equated to, like, Mike is like Mr. Miyagi, and Logan is Daniel's son. You know what I'm saying? Like, that father, son, and he's still grinding out and doing it, and, you know, he came back last year and, you know, just sometimes it's good to have guys in your program come in, and.
Because they get so tired of hearing you.
[00:05:16] Speaker A: It's good to have different voices.
[00:05:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:18] Speaker A: And they may be. They may be saying the exact same thing that you're saying. It just. It. It resonates because it's a different voice, 100%, I think you got to have different voices and bring different people in, and it keeps it fresh, too, and it keeps it good for the guys. Like, it's not the same. Same old, same Old, it's, it's something new. And they're going to lock in when somebody different's coming into 100%. Here with Josh Rainey, ABC ATAC High School Division 3 Coach of the Year, 19 years at Blanchard High School, head coach, four time state champion and in the last 10 years. So congrats. Josh is awesome.
[00:05:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean I, I, like I said, I took in my interview, I was like, you can't win the Kentucky Derby without a good horse. And everybody knows, man, I mean we just had a bunch here in the last 10 years. It's been, it's been pretty exciting.
[00:06:08] Speaker A: That was one of my dad's favorite lines is I've never seen a jackass win the Kentucky Derby.
[00:06:12] Speaker B: 100%, no doubt. It's the truth.
[00:06:16] Speaker A: What's this mean to you? Being in the same breath as Larry Turner?
[00:06:20] Speaker B: Not him. Close. I mean that dude's a freaking legend. Like I said, I think looking back, I think like I said, In 2007 was the last time somebody from Oklahoma won the NBC National Coach of the Year and it was Larry Turner. And the funny thing about this is, is like we go up to, you know, we're, we're 4A school, so we go up to a WASO and play in the WASO Pro 9 every year. And Coach Turner sent me a message and I was just like, I don't even know why this dude's texting me. He's been doing this for like 2000 wins and he's like so much better than I am. But you know, to be even recognized, I think it's just more of a program, you know, that we've been doing it right and, or we've just had a bunch of just success in the last 10 years. And, and that's what I told our local paper. I was like, ain't nobody winning this award going 20 and 20. Nobody really gives, you know what I mean? Cares about a one year deal. So.
[00:07:16] Speaker A: Yeah, but your winning percentage, I'd put up with anybody, Honestly, when you look.
[00:07:20] Speaker B: At your percentage, it's been really good. Like, I don't know off the top of my head what it is. Like, I mean, I just feel like that we put our guys like, we talk to our guys and my coach, Shoe Trump. I mean dude, dude's been with him for 19 years and we just sit down every year and like we just kind of try to develop the plan of what we got and what we don't have and just trying to maximize our things. But the thing that I tell Our guys is, we're doing the same stuff everybody else is, but it's all about the intent and what you do it. And that's what we focus on the most. It's like, just make sure that when we do something, like, it's the best of what we can do and just, just stack those days.
[00:08:03] Speaker A: How are you correcting that? When you see maybe not up to your expectations, the program's expectations, how do you correct that?
[00:08:11] Speaker B: I mean, basically you just, you just bring them in and we just stop practices the middle of it and just like, I, I just think, because if you let.
Guys are, you know, they say discipline and this, they want instructions like, like, like, we talk to our guys all the time. Like, if you want to be great, then you want to be a truth seeker. Like, because the great players want to know what they're good at, and they want to know what they're bad at. And like, we're, we tell them, like, we want to be brutally honest. Like, this is what you need to do. This is what you not need to do. You're not going to play in this situations. And like, I think, I think when everybody knows their role about the expectations, but again, too, like, when you've won at a success, success guys show up every day and they know they got to meet the same coach talk standard or whatever, but we, plenty of times we correct it with, with running or, you know, certain things of that nature.
You know, I mean, like anybody else, I mean, we just stop practice and just tell them that the effort and the energy is not good enough and we got to regroup and get better, because if not, we're going to waste. Today.
[00:09:18] Speaker A: You mentioned Lonnie Coble and, and Dave Walsh in your press release.
[00:09:22] Speaker B: Yeah. So, you know, Lonnie Cobble, he was a legend, like, at Edmond Santa Fe. Like, Edmund Santa Fe was a high school in 1993 that just, just started.
And he, he's been at that program from the time it opened. And, you know, he gave me my first opportunity. I took a summer job there after I got through, you know, playing college baseball, and I coached the American Legion team. And, you know, he just had a lot of precedents. And then I went on and worked on staff and did all that stuff with him. And Dave Walsh was a pitching coach. And like, I always.
No, I had a funny question. So like I said, I was at Arkansas State and one of their assistant coaches, Scott, was talking to him and he's like, what's, he's like, what's your. Like you know, your mo, like what do you do? And like your specialty. And I was like, I really just listen and wanted to be as a baseball coach, you know, try to have answers for everybody. Because I think that's, that's the biggest thing that I never got growing up was like, you have these questions and it was like, well, just go do this and go do that. But like there was never really an answer. It was just always told, you know what I mean? So I just, I listened. Dave Walsh, he, he was, he pitched in Pro bowl and he's from California. He had some great stories and he was on staff there.
And then obviously I learned a lot about the managerial side. Watching Lonnie deal in a 6A program with parents and Edmund has money and like you just.
I listened a lot was what I wanted to do early on in my career. And then I asked a lot of damn questions because nobody knows this game, I promise you.
[00:11:08] Speaker A: When did you find your voice, though? I was very similar. But at some point, especially when you take over your own program, you have to, you have to start being more vocal as a leader.
[00:11:17] Speaker B: Yeah, 100%. I think that that's the consistency that we have at Blanchard because we've had the same, me and Coach Shu, now we've had some other assistants come in and come out. But that's the thing is the consistency part of it. Like they know what they're going to get every day. With me and Shoe, like, I mean the expectation is the same as it always is whether or not we have the talent to win a state title. Everybody knows the expectation is like, we, this is what we want to do. This is how we want to try to accomplish it. And I think more than anything, like we had some early success in 07 and 09. We went to the state tournament, 2010, we had a brutal loss in the, the regional if game to go, the straight tenor. We're up ten with three outs to go and just like fell apart. Like, I was like, oh my God, shoot. I don't know what's going on. You know, you're sitting in the dugout and like, we're up 10, we got to get three outs. Next thing I know, we, we get beat on a walk off in the seventh. And so like, I don't know, we went like three years getting beat in the regional finals and I looked at you and I was like, dude, we gotta do something. And we just kind of, you know, as young coaches, you think you know it all. So we just kind of tried to outwork everybody. When I don't know if we really had a plan. Like, you know, it's like we're just gonna outwork everybody. Outwork everybody, Outwork everybody.
And I tell all those guys back then, you know, I was like, we weren't very good, man. I mean, we worked, but we weren't. We didn't have, like, a plan of, like, what we were doing. You know what I mean? And I think, you know, they. They talked about. And the crazy part is it's like they talked about, like, we were going to get fired because, you know, the expectation of this town was like a legendary, like, program that kind of just went.
It was really, really good, and then it was down. And, you know, the expectations, but they didn't have the same players. And, I don't know, we just kind of overhauled it. And then 14, we had great success, and then 15, we won it. And then it was like, bam. Just took off.
I think that's where the Voice is. It's like when you. When you finally, like, self evaluate and go, yeah, maybe we're not as good as we really think you are, and just become honest. Like, you know, that's kind of when it just kind of took off for us, I think.
[00:13:31] Speaker A: What is it about coaching where you remember that the bad losses more than probably the wins.
[00:13:36] Speaker B: God, with it. I don't know. I. I think that it's just because you look like you let your guys down. You know what I mean? Like, I was sitting in the dugout and. And. And this season, right? So 22, we want to state title. 23, we get beat in the finals by one. 24, we get beaten the finals by one. 25, I got all these dudes back. Eight seniors, we're cruising. We're up 5, 0, and we're playing a rival. Like, they're really, really good. They got a great program. You know, Draper's a. He's really a friend of mine because we grew up in the same area. Like, I'm from Tecumseh, from Shawnee. So we're Pot county boys in Oklahoma, and we're up five, nothing. We're up six, two. And then all of a sudden, it's six, six. I'm like. I look at you, and I was like, there ain't no way. Like, these guys are gonna get punished by baseball again. Like, it can't happen. And then we, you know, we make a guy makes a great individual swim, play at home on a. On a ball across, like, ground ball to shortstop. I know it's gonna be a bang banger. Our guys coming from second, we just send him the whole way and it kind of pulls him off and we come in and slide and take the lead and ended up winning the game. But I'm just like, could this really happen again and be brutal.
[00:14:49] Speaker A: When are you working on those types of plays guys scoring from? Because those are, I think those are the difference between winning championships and not are those types of plays where you have somebody scoring from second base on a ball that maybe they shouldn't.
[00:15:00] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean I think it's just something you in practice like when we're in our squad and like we got coaches on the basis and, and like I tell our guys like our run system, all our stuff is like we want to see. I don't care if you get thrown out.
Like it's. Nobody's keeping score right now, but we need to see where you are and what we can do in certain situations. So we're always pressing the envelope and in practice about, you know, just like how can we get. We talk about 90ft. How can we get 90ft without an out, an extra 90ft. Whether it be the bunk game, the run game, the ball and dirt read like that's what I'm talking about. When what I said earlier about the intent about like practices, it's that kind of stuff. It's like how do we do the same thing that everybody else does and be better at it. And it's just like we've, we charted like there's nothing that we don't chart like in game we're charting like how guys pitches. So it becomes more predictability about certain counts. Each guy has a booklet coach shoe develop that. Like I want you to chart your in game at bats. And it's good because when guys get out, they're not so pissed about out. They're more about let's go in and let's see what I did in this at bat and how he pitched me. So for further on stuff. So you know, we kind of try to develop a system that guys can use in game. And like I said, it's all practice. We're not doing anything that anybody else.
[00:16:28] Speaker A: Is doing when they're evaluating. So after in a bat, what, what's on that evaluation sheet for the hitter?
[00:16:35] Speaker B: It's just, it's. It's just basically first pitch, you know, he's tracking ball, strike, breaking ball and then out to the side it has in his, you know, in two strike counts, what pitch did you get? And then we can, you Know, kind of look at it and develop like, hey, in one, two counts, this is what this guy's.
So we can talk about trying to hit this area in two strikes and not so much a pitch. Because I think guys get caught up with like, you know, guys are getting good about three pitch mix. And then, you know, hitters, they all try to think that like they got to hit all these pitches and we just try to hit areas and that's what we're trying to do is develop our plan of attack of like, okay, this is how the guy's gonna, you know, hit or, or how they're gonna pitch us in this situation. And like, we're just gonna sit areas and we'll take and we'll take and we'll take. But if we get that pitch, we got to make sure we, we don't miss.
[00:17:33] Speaker A: I agree with you. I think sitting in Aries is way, way better than trying to sit piss. Unless this stuff is extremely electric, you're not going to face a ton of guys like that during the spring.
[00:17:43] Speaker B: No, but I mean, and it goes back to, like I said, we, we talk about in our training, like we got three different types of pitchers that we see. We got, we have like, we call them our cone one or cone two or cone three. So your cone one is going to be your, your best stuff.
Like how do we, how do we train for this guy? Our cone 2 guy is going to be your, your guy. You're going to see most often a two pitch, three pitch mix, but he's not going to be the upper velocity guy. And then our cone 3 guys, like your left hander that they bring in, it's going to be soft and how he's gonna. But that's all stuff that we train for throughout the season in, you know, in our cage work and our drill work and all that kind of stuff. So we have a plan of attack about when they bring in a certain guy. This is what we're going to try to do off of it.
[00:18:29] Speaker A: What drills are you setting up in the, in the cage area to, to kind of emulate those guys? Cone one, code two, code three.
[00:18:36] Speaker B: Well, it's a lot of seated at bats, so but it all. But before all that is like we come back and like, okay, cone one, cone one guy, he's going to be more often, you know, he's going to go fastball up in the zone and then slide her away.
So we work, we have like a little string line, then we run across. So we're working above the Line. If it's above the line, it's a take. If it's below the lines of swing. So we're working those areas. And then sliders, you know, we're trying to anybody with what, like big velocity, we're trying to go fastball up the middle, and then just with two strikes, we're trying to go line drive, second base. And then if he goes fastball and we're just trying to block the ball into right field, basically, I mean, because you cannot defend plus velocity and. And slider away, it's like impossible. So it's like if he goes in there in high school, well, we're just going to try to block it into right field. On right. On right.
And then we'll go seated at bats and it'll be okay. Seated at bats. Now we're working counts, so now we're going plus counts. We're sitting, you know, the high fastball here, because this is his thing, or we're sitting the low three fastball in this count. And so it's just a development over that. And then you take all that seated at bat with your coaches, and then you go on to like your live arm situation when you're facing hitters. And, you know, that's just how we develop it in those situations. And all the coaches, we got our little radar guns, so we're from certain distances to try to match that velocity and all that kind of. That's just, that's how we do it. And then obviously, cone two, it's kind of more my style because I can't throw as hard. We got, you know, young coaches that come throw the. The cone 1 velocity and then coach shoe boy, he's. He's our cone three. He's. He talks about how good his stuff is. It ain't worth a.
But he's over there diced. And it gets competitive because we're just, we're, you know, format. So we're competing with them. And, you know, I think we get more out of that. Just the competition part of it of, like coaches trying to get them out from seated velocity. It's good stuff.
[00:20:56] Speaker A: You know, I just, I think all that competitiveness breeds more competitiveness to. Out of. And if they see the coaches doing it, like, the players are going to get into it too.
[00:21:05] Speaker B: 100%.
[00:21:07] Speaker A: You trying to get a new stadium built?
[00:21:10] Speaker B: Yeah, we've been trying.
Like I said, we have a very nostalgic stadium in Blanchard. I mean, that we. We redid the playing surface of 2017. It's probably the best Natural grass surface. But I mean the lights were hand built in 19.
I don't know. Coach V, the legendary coach here, he's. He's still around. He. I think they were hand built in like 1970.
So we have all this, you know, I mean it's 305 down the line. It's 350 the center, but the wind blows in. Everybody talks about we hit so many home runs. I'm like, boys, we play in the same park everybody else does when they show up here. So I mean let's, let's be real, you know, it just. We've kind of outgrew what it is and we face some challenges. Like my junior high, we. This is the only facility that in Blanchard that is 60, 90. So my junior high, they don't have a place to practice so they're trying to throw. We got to throw down bases and go on a practice football field and do stuff like this because we're practicing when they're, when their practice time is.
So it just would just meet what we need obviously to continue.
And I talked to the public about it. Just we need something to match our tradition. Like, I mean, I mean we. The, the history is like I think 30 state tournaments from like 1977, Blanchard's been in and you know, like 18 state championship games from. From 77.
I don't know, something like that. And we're just kind of outgrowing it. Like we got two stop lights but we got you know, influx of like this farmland around it that's being, you know, commercialized in the houses and stuff like that.
It's just tough. Like we. When you have a public that doesn't want to see the town grow, but the growth is going to happen anyways.
So, you know, it's an ongoing process. I have these great plans I've drew up three years ago, but we're still working on it. So never say never.
[00:23:19] Speaker A: You got any grass keeping tips?
[00:23:23] Speaker B: Yeah, just make sure you have a good wife that doesn't care when you're gone. I mean that's basically it. Mow four times a week in the summer, fertilize once a month and run the water.
[00:23:33] Speaker A: What about the dirt area?
What do you guys have for your. For your surface?
[00:23:38] Speaker B: It's just a, It's a minute material that's just a clay and sand and mix because of the rain that we get. So it's pro. It's like it's more sand than it is clay, but it gets baked in the summer. It's like Concrete. So I mean, like I said, that was the thing when I redid the sprinkle, when I. When the sprinkler system here, when I first got here had five zones, so the new one has 14 when we redid it. So I have, I have.
You know, the big thing is just watering the dirt at night and just making sure you get that soak in it and then water first thing in the morning and then kind of moisture management. I mean, everybody knows that it's just a pain. But we pay. Every year we pay a company to, To. To laser grade the dirt because I think it's impossible in Oklahoma with the wind not to so have money, I guess, is the tip. You know, raise it, fundraise it.
I can do a lot of stuff, but I cannot do laser level, any of that stuff.
[00:24:45] Speaker A: You have any, you have any tornado stories?
[00:24:48] Speaker B: I don't. I mean, not in, not. Not in Blanchard, but there's been some brutal ones here. It's like, it's.
[00:24:57] Speaker A: Every year we go to Tulsa. You just. In the back, your mind, you're like, just be prepared.
[00:25:02] Speaker B: Yeah, so I do. I have funny stories. Like when I was growing up, the sun belt used to be a huge thing where I grew up right in. In Shawnee Tecumseh area. And we always house Florida kids. And we were there outside and we had these. These guys were like, what are these bugs? I think I was like 13 years old and I was like, those are tornado bugs. And they were like, oh my God. And then the storms that happened and the sirens, they were melting, like in pure panic. We didn't have any. But outsiders coming into Oklahoma, they know a lot about tornadoes. But like, I don't know, Oklahoma's are like almost numb to it because you're so, you know, used to it.
It's crazy. We actually had a. I had a parent, we do a, like a, A fundraiser where you have to bring a live auctioneer and we auction off to the public. So one of my former players, his dad was a storm chaser. And that was one of the, like the prizes, like win a trip to go chase tornadoes in and Mr. Brown's like storm chaser vehicle. So it was always a pretty good one.
[00:26:08] Speaker A: What are you guys doing this time of year, your summer guys? What are they doing?
[00:26:12] Speaker B: So we, I, I partner with Coach Draper and we run a travel organization. We partnered with team veteran sports.
He's a lieutenant, former lieutenant army gunner, and he started making wood bats. So we kind of partnered with him and we run, you know, a 14 year 15U, 16U. 17U.
You know, summer baseball program, and we just finished up.
So right now I'm gonna go fishing tomorrow, taking my kid to summer pride, my middle daughter to high school volleyball, and then my oldest daughter's in club soccer. So we're doing nothing really right now.
[00:27:03] Speaker A: You have a lot of football guys?
[00:27:05] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I really like.
I think that there's so much. I got like 24 off season guys and then about 20 football player guys, you know, in our program. I think it's really good for those guys to compete in that situation.
I think that. Plus I'm the only coach in the off season because coach shoe coaches, softball, his daughter's a freshman.
So I see those guys year round and I'm like, y' all need a break. For me, I need a break from y', all, you know, because I'm the strength and conditioning coach. I'm the off season coach, I'm the, you know, the base, the. The. The head baseball coach in the spring. So no, we got it. We got a good mix. I think we have to though. You got to share athletes at this level. What.
[00:27:50] Speaker A: What size is Blanchard? What size is 4A? So how many. What's your enrollment?
[00:27:55] Speaker B: We have like 740 kids in.
In nine through 12.
[00:28:02] Speaker A: What resources are you using for strength and conditioning?
[00:28:05] Speaker B: I just basically, you know, I got a good relationship with the people at ou, with Skip Johnson and then Coach Holiday at OSU and then just some people I've met along the way through the abca. And I just kind of said, like, just send me your stuff.
That's the one thing we did. When I first showed up at Blanchard, we had one.
One barn that coach Vermillion built. And it was an indoor. So you're talking about an indoor that was built in like the 80s. It was. Just had one cage.
And then I built a new one out in left field and like, oh, in 2014 that has five cages. But this, this old one I turned into a weight room.
So it's got eight squat racks in there.
We did that in 17. And then it's got, you know, some band stuff, whatever you need, you know, the basics. So I just basically took their stuff, looked at it, and then kind of developed what I can use from them, you know, because obviously we don't have the same equipment. And then just. We built a, you know, we work out four days a week. We do plyos and sprints because in the, in the fall in Oklahoma, we only get an hour to lift and an hour to practice.
So that's kind of what I did. Like anybody else, I just kind of stole from whoever and kind of made it my own. That works for us.
[00:29:28] Speaker A: You have a large baseball program for the size of your school too? Like every, Every male in. In high school playing baseball?
[00:29:35] Speaker B: No, no, actually, no, we don't.
But if you came to Blanchard, like, we got like four, five U teams. We got four, six UTs, we got six, whatever. You know what I mean? Like, everybody plays. We just had a camp.
We had our baseball camp and we had 137 kids that were 5 to 12 here, you know, because. So that's the thing is, like, it's baseball, so it's, it's good in that aspect of it, for sure.
[00:30:06] Speaker A: I mean, you've won a lot of state titles. You've also been there and almost won. How much of that is luck of winning it?
[00:30:12] Speaker B: Well, okay, so in high school baseball in Oklahoma, it's single elimination.
[00:30:19] Speaker A: So I love the one and done format. I know some people don't like it, but I.
Hey, you look at the ACC and the SEC tournaments this year. They went to one and done. It ramps it up. It does ramp it up.
[00:30:32] Speaker B: Well, so what I do like about it is if you have experience, it really benefits you.
So, you know, but it's weird because our system is all double elimination. So we play district games on Monday, Tuesday.
And so if you win your district, you host a regional, and then you go to regionals, it's double elimination.
And then you play a super regional. Was the best two out of three against somebody, and then you go to the state tournament, it's like, oh, one game, you could be done the final eight. So I tell, you know, you never know what kind of team you have until you get to that, that last day. Because it's all. It's the only time in their career that the season could be over. Because all season they've always had a next day and you don't know till you get there.
So I mean, it's good, like, if you have experience, because then it's like, like this year in the state tournament, we were down in the first two rounds of each game, but we've been there for three straight years and it was just like, okay, here we go. And then we win, and then we win. And it was the same thing in the finals. Like, we're up and then they come back, tie the game, and then we make a play and we win. So, I mean, experience, yes, but the bad thing about baseball too you know, this is like, if you show up on a single one and done and the dude's got a big arm like, that don't always mean they got the best team. So, yeah, you do. Got to get lucky.
[00:31:57] Speaker A: Do you? Does your messaging change? I mean, you go two out of three or whatever to get there, and now it's one and done. Does your messaging change at all with them?
[00:32:05] Speaker B: No, I. I think we talk about.
And this is such the cliche of, like, coaching, but we really do emphasize on, like, we need to be good at what we need to do. It doesn't matter who we're playing. So I think, you know, that's the problem is, like, if you try to change, the players immediately know, oh, my God, coach already thinks this is a big deal now. And, like, then they're gonna stress. And the whole. It's just about routine. We want to do the same thing every single day better than somebody else. So the message doesn't change, really. It's just, you know, it's just they know what it is, so they already know the pressures on, especially in our town, like, if you won, you know, if you've been the state finals three years in a row, like, everybody at the beginning of the year is all like, oh, my God, we're going to win it. You know, you got parents, you got grandparents, and I'm like, here we go. That's all they need is some more expectation put on them.
[00:33:02] Speaker A: With you playing in college, did you ever think about coaching in college?
[00:33:07] Speaker B: I mean, I really don't know. I think I kind of.
I thought about it, but then it was like, I really enjoyed where my. You know, my. My. It's always been about, you know, be where your feet are at, you know, and I kind of really enjoyed that aspect of it. And then I had kids, and then you're like, there ain't no chance I could ever do it. You know what I mean? That's just being away from my family with sports. I'm already gone enough. Like, I think it'd be. I think the aspect of it has always been there.
It's just, like, the opportunity and, like, the timing. I think if I was gonna do it, I'd have to go back and just go be a GA as soon as I got done and went through that whole route. But it was, you know, it was.
I don't know if.
I don't know if I. I think I. Maybe I was just meant to be where I'm supposed to be.
[00:34:00] Speaker A: It's all in the situation. More than anything else.
[00:34:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:05] Speaker A: That really dictates your path as your family situation.
[00:34:08] Speaker B: Well, 100%. Like, my wife is definitely the breadwinner in the family. So, you know, we, we live in a very nice house and our players, it's like the running joke. Like, they'll come over, like, I'll pay them to do some work or something.
They're like, oh my God, I want to be a coach. Coach right now, like, was. This is not at all what high school coaching money is all about? Like, it is definitely not.
[00:34:34] Speaker A: What does she do for work?
[00:34:36] Speaker B: She's a. A manager at Normal Regional Hospital on the administration side.
So got her master's. Way smarter than me. So, you know, I'm just here enjoying the best life that I got, so it's good.
[00:34:52] Speaker A: Have your pillars or standards for the program changed much over the years? In 19 years, pretty similar when you started, or has it changed a little bit?
[00:34:59] Speaker B: No, it's definitely, it has definitely became more detail oriented. And unlike the actual. Like I said, that's why I tell them we won because we worked early on. It wasn't because we had any damn plan at all. And like, if I had a message, like for young coaches, it's like track everything. Like, and I started doing that in 14.
Like, I got every practice, every day exactly what we did from 2014 to 2025. So you think about my career from 07 to 14, it was kind of like a freaking free for all. I look at Coach Sh, like, what are we doing today? You know what I mean? And like, this is what we're going to do and we just go do it. And now we're just like, I've learned that, like, here's the time that we need to spend on this and then we move on. Whether or not it's good or bad. I'm not going to spend a. Because it's going to piss me off.
And I'm, I'm just like, let's just move on. And then we'll readdress it at the end of practice and then we'll do it again the next day. Like, there's, I've just learned that there's. There's no reason to get caught up on one thing.
I'm like, it is what it is. We got a lot of days. Let's just be better at the next day and we just stay on time. The guys know we have a practice schedule, like up to date, so we post it every day and that's what we want to accomplish on that day.
[00:36:29] Speaker A: Same Thing in a game. Like, you don't get do overs.
[00:36:31] Speaker B: No.
[00:36:32] Speaker A: You know, it doesn't help you in a competitive environment because you don't get do overs. So, yeah, you're going to make some mistakes in a game and that's fine. Flow through it and get on to the next thing.
[00:36:42] Speaker B: Yeah, 100%. And I think that's, like I said early on is like, you just.
We've always had the.
The deal of like, we just didn't want our players to fail. And sometimes we. We just stayed on something so long because we felt like it was so important, and then it just was actually shitty for us. Honestly, the whole practice was terrible. All the coaches are pissed off. You know what I mean? Like, so I think as you get older, you just, you get better at understanding what works, what doesn't work. Is it that really that big a deal in that situation on December 5th, if we don't execute something, you know, that chasing. And that's the same thing I talked to Shoe about. I was like, are we really gonna talk about.
Let's don't be end result driven. But in the middle of practice, we're so end result on being perfect on this thing. Like, it's like counterintuitive. Like, we're just. We're saying one thing and then we're doing the exact same opposite. Like, kids are smart, man. Like, they have so much access to whether it good or bad. You know what I mean? Like, early on, you know, you just lie to dudes like you're doing this, you know? Like, I tell people all the time, the greatest hitting coaches are like yourself, number one for players because you got to make in game adjustments. But the best hitting coaches just lie to players that are really good. You know what I mean? Like, hey, man, you're set up. I'd like to see just a little bit like 60, 40 on your front.
And then they're like, they hit a line drive and they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's nothing wrong. Your brain's in the way, man. Like, you just lied to them. Like, but now they're like, oh, well, I saw this and this. And I'm like, dude, just. Just stay the process. You ain't that guy. So I don't know. It's funny. Like, I think baseball is just about psychology. Is like, if I could go back and just be a psychologist, like, that's the biggest thing is, like making these dudes believe you've seen it as coaches. Like, you got these dudes that are ultra talented and then you got these dudes that are grinders, but, like, for some reason, these grinder guys that aren't near as athletic, these dudes, they make it. And it's all about the mentality. They. They show up to the field and they believe, like, they're the best player on planet Earth. And you're like, I look at you, I'm like, this dude is unbelievable. Like, he thinks he's way better, and he just performs like it's. It's crazy what that mentality will do for you.
[00:39:07] Speaker A: Do you start with your freshman? If you're building a freshman from scratch, where are you starting?
[00:39:12] Speaker B: I mean, we just. It's a baseline. Like, I. I think, like I said, the workout is the biggest thing. The. The strength aspect for baseball for us is like the biggest, like, game changer. Like, it's not even close. When we built that weight room in 17, like, our dudes are physical. Like, they got a punch code to it so they can come in and work out and do their thing, you know, as long as we got a coach there, you know what I mean, to work out.
So we. They have access to the facilities.
Same with our indoor. They got. They just can, you know, they got an app that clicks in and the cameras come on and all this kind of stuff so they can get their work in. But I think if you're starting with just a freshman in the off season is like, let's make him a better athlete. We get so caught up into, like, making guys really good at filling ground walls early on that they're. They lose the athleticism side of it. So we spend. When our guys show up on August 13th, they're gonna have seven days to make sure they have their physical. And then on August 20th, we start our strength and conditioning program. Four days a week, we're gonna lift two day. Two of those days, we're going to do plyos, and two of those days we're going to do sprint work.
So, you know, you're lifting your sprint. We're trying to build a better athlete because, again, we got a lot of numbers, but it doesn't always equate to the best baseball players. So we got to develop the guys that we have. Like this year, we graduated eight dudes that started for me. So there's going to be some young players that we may depend on that are freshmen, and there might be some sophomore, some juniors, but it's going to be a lot of inexperience. And, you know, we're just going to grind on them. In the weight room. I mean it's going to be the.
[00:40:59] Speaker A: Biggest thing what volume on your sprint days then what volume on your plyo.
[00:41:03] Speaker B: Days and, and like rep repetition wise.
I've just, I'd have to look at my sheet. I don't have it off the top of my head.
It's.
I don't know. I think it all depends too, is like, like how conditioned they are. So obviously less early and then more later so we don't get some dude to pass out on the first day, you know what I mean?
You know, and then, and then our guys, I mean, I think they're kind of bought in because we, we still have like the old board of 17 with all the dudes like the, their numbers. We got some former players that had, you know, benefited for four years of it and they're like, oh my God, these dudes were weak. And I was like, yes, they were. That's the biggest thing. Like, like they can see. Like we leave it there for a reason like these guys. But they were good players, you know, but they weren't strong, they weren't physical and that's. And, and we've actually helped ourselves like with injuries for the most part in my opinion. Like just like the day to day like guys aren't dropping off because then we left, you know, twice a week during season.
I think it's a big thing for us.
[00:42:18] Speaker A: I. For coaches that still are not on board with it. It's amazing to me, if you don't want your players to get injured, get them in the weight room, they'll 100. They will not get hurt. I mean they're gonna, you're gonna have some injuries here and there. It's just part of it. But overall, the overall health of your entire program, you're just not gonna get as many injuries the hot.
[00:42:39] Speaker B: Like I said, the biggest thing we ever did was just turning that one cage indoor into a weight room. And it's right, you know, I'm in my office and then to the left we have our, our locker room and then we walk out the door and, and 10ft across there's our weight room.
[00:42:56] Speaker A: Are you lifting a lot too?
[00:42:59] Speaker B: Me?
[00:42:59] Speaker A: Yeah, you?
[00:43:01] Speaker B: No, I need to, I need to, I need to.
[00:43:07] Speaker A: It's there for everybody. If you look at longevity, there's a bunch of longevity studies coming out and strength training is the one for older adults, 100% training for. They've even done stuff with like 70 and 80 year olds that had not lifted before.
And it helps with bone density later on.
[00:43:25] Speaker B: In life, no, there's no doubt. The pro I lazy man get old to get lazy. Chasing your kids around your only free time is like waking up to drink a cup of coffee with your wife before your kids wake up and you're like, do I want to go spend that time working out? I need to. I do periodically. But I can't ever stay consistent just with the schedule with my kids and, and everything else. It's just a massive excuse for me. So appreciate you bringing that up.
[00:43:55] Speaker A: If you could divine a Planche Blanchard baseball player, what would it be?
[00:43:59] Speaker B: If I could do what?
[00:44:00] Speaker A: Define a Blanchard baseball player.
[00:44:03] Speaker B: No, he's gonna be tough.
He's gonna. There's nobody. I mean, the best ones are tough. And you can't outwork us. I mean, like, we show up when we start back in after Christmas break, we go straight to morning workouts and it's brutal. Like, we lift three days a week, but then the two days we run and the guys and I. I'm the only coach that shows up for that. Like, I've. If I'm making you show up at 5:45, I'm going to be there. And I've been there. I've never missed one in 19 years. Like, I'm gonna be at morning workouts. So we lift the three days a week and then we run. But the running aspect is absolutely horrendous. And we talk about it. You gotta sacrifice for success.
And you know, it's all just timed down and backs on the basketball gym. That's it. I think I stole it from the legendary basketball coach at Arkansas. He ran that run and gun stuff like Nolan Richards or something like that.
[00:45:05] Speaker A: Richardson.
[00:45:06] Speaker B: Yeah, so I read somewhere he did this, this thing like you gotta go. We call, we call it the ladder.
[00:45:12] Speaker A: So it's like we did that in college.
[00:45:16] Speaker B: Yeah. So 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11. All time. And then you go 9, 7, 5, 3, 1.
[00:45:23] Speaker A: So you want a gut check?
[00:45:25] Speaker B: Yes. And then the bad part is, so we're in there and like when everybody's done, the guys that make time, they get to walk across the floor to the end. And then it's like, now we're pitting, like, here's where these dudes are at and here's where you're at. And we got to make sure everybody's on this side, you know, I mean, so it's a realistic look like. And, and you know, the, the great part about it is the dudes that make time are usually the guys that are playing.
I mean, it's not a hard concept to see. Like these are the hardest workers. Like and usually your best players are your hardest workers.
[00:46:01] Speaker A: And it's just effort. Like at that point when you get into things like that, it's just effort. If you're willing, you're going to make your time. If you're willing to put effort into it, you will make your time. Yes, it's going to stink, but if it's just a matter of putting effort in, that's it.
[00:46:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:16] Speaker A: Do you have a fail forward moment? You have something you thought was going to set you back but looking back now, it helped you move forward. Could be personally, professionally.
[00:46:24] Speaker B: Yeah. I honestly think that, like I said that, that 07 we go my first year Blanchard, we go to the state tournament. The next year we get be out in regional finals. It was a brutal, brutal regional. In 2008 I had Chase Stevens who pitched at Oklahoma State, went on to the Diamondbacks. We're playing McLeod, they got a D1 arm. We're playing Cushing, they had a D1 arm and we're playing Bishop McGinnis. Had the Bose kid, it was a D1 arm. So we beat Bishop McGinnis in the first game in 2008 and then Bishop McGinnis wins the regional and then they win every game in the regional after loss and then go and win a state championship and then 09 we go back, get beat in the semifinals and extra innings.
So you know we're 08 was kind of outlier. Like me and Shoe were like, ah, would you brutal draw. You know what I mean? Brutal draw. And then 10 I think what happened the greatest thing ever.
And this is bad looking back to say this is like we're up 10, we're gonna go the regional finals, we're going to go the state tournament and we get beat and we don't go. And then 11, we don't go. 12, we don't go. 13 we don't go. We're just, we're getting beaten. The regional finals, we're right there at the end and I think that after that little four year stint we just kind of overhauled everything we're doing and like we're, we are not giving our guys a good enough chance and that we redid everything. The run game, we, our bunt game just we wanted to make our offense more multiple of like we want to be able to beat you when the wind's blowing in. We want to beat you when the wind's blown out. We want to beat you when you got your best Arm, whatever. So we just overhauled the whole thing. And then in 2015, we won it. And I'm telling you, that group was of the groups I've had.
They couldn't compete with some of the teams that I've had and they won it. You know what I mean?
And, and from that point on, when we want it with them, we were like, shoot, this is what we're doing is going to work every single year. And then when we get dudes, it really worked like just beyond, like, you know, in 2019 we went 39,0 and like we went, we played in a big tournament in, in Arizona and won. Like, we travel, we go places, we went, we went to Florida, we went to Gulf Shores. Like, I just wanted these guys to experience something outside of Blanchard.
So we, we go places and, and go play and do all that stuff. Go to a waso. And so I think that was the big moment was losing. You know, if we would have won in 10, I don't know if we would have the same success because I would have thought I was still really, really good at what I was doing. And looking back, I wasn't worth it.
Bam. Honestly, I was just trying to outwork everybody.
[00:49:27] Speaker A: So when you setting up bunning in practice?
[00:49:30] Speaker B: When.
[00:49:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:49:31] Speaker B: Okay. So for our practice base running, we stretch. Base running is the first thing that we do.
We, we do it every single day. It's the first thing we do.
And then we may go, you know, right after, right after base running, we may do our introduction to bunning where we got, we got four machines set up. We got one, you know, machine going, the third one going to first one going to second one going home. So we got four going in that direction.
So we may do that. And then we, you know, we bunt scrimmage, which is a great thing that I found. And it teaches guys, it's, you know, it teaches our players, like how important bunning is, like to score runs without ever hitting or walking.
So that's how we introduce that. And it's a great bond defensive drill.
[00:50:24] Speaker A: You shorten the bases on that. Are you playing full.
[00:50:27] Speaker B: So the first time we play nine inning butt scores. The first three innings, the base, the first bases at 80ft. Because I don't, I don't like to shorten the bases because I think it changes angles of how guys throw a lot of times.
But I want them and the first three innings because all we're doing is drag button for a hit. There's no runners on unless you get on.
But, but I want Them to speed that clock up. And then the third through the sixth inning, we're doing runner at first base. And then the seventh through the ninth, we're doing runners at first and second, but the bases are full length and we got a coach putting the ball in the machine and we got a pitcher on the mound that can pick. So it kind of. So now we're implementing the run game with the bunt game. I mean, everybody's seen the stuff, so.
But that we do. We do any of our bunt stuff before we ever.
And our guys get so mad because, like, they. All they want to do is hit on the field. And I was like, we. I. When hitting on the field helps me win, I'll do it.
You know, I think there's so much other aspects the guys hate doing that I like to do because I know how, you know, instrumental it is at certain times. And we hit on the field when, when we start going live arm. Like, I think that's an imperative thing because guys, outfielders got to get reads off bats and stuff like that.
But we don't do. We don't hit on the field until really like February.
[00:51:56] Speaker A: Winning baseball.
[00:51:57] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:51:58] Speaker A: Winning baseball.
[00:51:59] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:52:00] Speaker A: How involved are your parents?
[00:52:03] Speaker B: I think that. In what aspect?
[00:52:05] Speaker A: In any aspect. I mean, what, what type of access do parents have in the program?
[00:52:12] Speaker B: I mean, I, I think that my booster club and the parents that, that do that are really, really good. Like, I kind of, you know, if I need something, we get it done.
But they let me. They let me do they understand like that I have the best intentions for the most part. For the, for the, for the Voice. Now there's always going to be an outlier that thinks so and so or whatnot. But I mean, that's just in general. But they, the coaching part of it, they, they leave me alone because they, you know, they know that I care about those kids and like, I want them to be successful. And just because you're not playing doesn't mean that you're not a part of this in some fashion. But the, the fundraising part of it, they're really, really good. Like, we do two fundraisers a year and we make a bunch of money and that's what we do.
[00:53:05] Speaker A: Your 13 year continuous ABCA member. For anybody that's not a member, what would you tell them?
[00:53:11] Speaker B: And I still don't, I think I don't know what happened, how I missed a day or a year in there somewhere. But you can get it back.
[00:53:19] Speaker A: You can call, call Lauren in our office. She can get you A year back?
[00:53:23] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm trying to figure out how I.
[00:53:25] Speaker A: Had to buy one when I got here, because my first year I was a member, I ended up not going to the convention. We got, you know, back in the old days, it was, if you're going to the convention, you're a member. And now it's like, completely the opposite. Like, we have so many more members than who shows up at the convention. But that's why I missed. So when I got here, I was like, I think I'm a year ahead. And so I actually just bought a year and got it back.
[00:53:47] Speaker B: So, yeah, I need to figure out that whole situation because I was like, 13 years. No, I think that there's so much access out there. And I think a lot. A lot of times, like, coaches.
And I just keep going back to younger coaches, like, you are not as good as you think you are.
And when I listen to those guys speak, like, I was like, oh, I don't know anything. Like, this is ridiculous. Like, everything that I thought, I do like. But I will say this. Like, guys need to be careful about, like, there's so much access that those guys have and money that those guys have that you're not going to be able to do. So, you know, we fell into that, oh, this is the greatest thing ever. We need to do it. And we're sitting there, and I'm like. I'm just. We're, like, sitting on our thumbs at this point, like, this ain't going to work. Sounded good in theory, but we. We don't have nine. Nine pitching machines to do this drill or whatever. You know what I mean? But I think they. The networking, the access.
I mean, I think that you need to try to continue your education this game, because it's continually trying to evolve. And that's my biggest thing, is I want to go. I want to listen.
And, you know, I think the greatest stuff ever is, like, listening to the high school coaches when you guys have them, because it fits more of what we can do in comparison to, like, some of the, you know, the Division 1 stuff. I think a lot of their stuff is really, really good. But again, I can't do what they can do.
[00:55:22] Speaker A: It was the same thing at Division one when you'd show up, because it's like, okay, they've got 20 managers. We don't have one manager. So we need to find the programs that are being successful on. On what we have. And I think that's the great thing about the ABCA is no matter what level you're at youth all the way up to pro.
You're going to be able to find somebody that's in your similar situation that is having a lot of success on the field. You can. No, you can find that program out.
[00:55:48] Speaker B: There and multiple 100.
Yeah. And I think when you start going and like, like you said, when you finally. When you realize, like, what you like and don't like, then it becomes like you're listening and like, oh, I like that little piece. So I can take that little piece and then I can put it in.
Because again, like, guys will go, right. You'll go.
You're grinding it out. And then you go to this convention and you're like, oh, my God, we got to implement this hitting thing. Well, you've been doing all this stuff, and now you're. You're January 8th. You open up in March, and now you're changing everything. Like, you got to be very careful about.
[00:56:25] Speaker A: Save it for the following fall.
[00:56:27] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:56:28] Speaker A: That's right. Like, make a note of it.
[00:56:30] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:56:30] Speaker A: And, like, put it somewhere where you can see it. Even if you're putting in your, like, August calendar.
Of all the things that you're going to implement the next year.
[00:56:39] Speaker B: 100%.
[00:56:40] Speaker A: You got some room for trial and error there, too, because you guys see that, too. It's like, hey, we've been working the same thing for the entire year now. There was a few things out there. I sent out, Nate. Yes. Key's double bullpens and triple bullpen catchers. That was something I felt like we could immediately implement. That wasn't going to be like, why are we doing this? It's actually going to help you now. We haven't done it, and this is something that we can implement now that's going to help you going forward. It wasn't, like, earth shattering. It just was kind of accentuating what you had, and that's. That's where you can figure out, okay, that kind of accentuates what we've been doing. It actually enhances what we've been doing rather than overhauling everything we've already done up to this point.
[00:57:20] Speaker B: No. 100%. Yeah. So I think it's the. It's the. The best thing that coaches can do. I. I mean, I think there's just the continuing of the education because once you become like.
Like, once you realize that you don't know it all, like, you know, and every young coach, I mean, they.
[00:57:39] Speaker A: They're supposed to be that way as a young coach.
[00:57:42] Speaker B: Yeah. 100.
[00:57:42] Speaker A: You're supposed to think you got it all figured out as a young coach, that's just what young coaches are. You think you got it all figured out?
[00:57:47] Speaker B: Yeah, and. And the, you know, going to that situation and just kind of just being open with yourself, like, there's a lot more that I could give my players, and I think, you know, that was the greatest. The best thing for us was like. Like you said that moment of, like that. That instance of like the towns. Like, I don't know if he's gonna be able to do it or not. You know, we were winning. Like, we were at the same winning percentage. We just weren't getting it done during nut cutting time. And, you know, I think, you know, that was probably the best thing.
[00:58:18] Speaker A: So what are some final thoughts before I let you go?
[00:58:23] Speaker B: Just like, I probably. There's probably a thousand other coaches that are better off to receive this award than me, to be honest with you. Like, I mean, I just got into this and Shoe knows this. Like, I don't care about awards and things like that. Like, I just. I care about my players.
I care, you know, what awards they win, like, because I think they deserve it. Like, I don't need any of that.
So I think my final take is just like, it's all about the players, man. I just. That's. That's where it comes down to. If you're just about you, then you're missing out, though, on the relationships. And I tell, you know, anything and anybody, like, the greatest thing to me is when they get. When I. When they come back and, you know, see me, like, that's the. That's the thing. Like, I got L.J. mcDonough.
He's in double A right now, and we still talk all the time. And just like, that's. That's the thing that I love the most. And he graduated in 2017, so, you know, that's my thing. The relationships is great. The wins, the losses, the awards, all that kind of stuff. But I. I just. The boys keep me young, man.
So my girls make fun of me. My girls make fun of me, because I'll come home and drop in some kind of little line that I got from school. And they're like, dad, you need to stop. And I'm like, mean, what do you mean? So it's good.
[00:59:53] Speaker A: Thanks for your time, Josh. Get out there.
You deserve it. Get some fishing in. Appreciate you.
[00:59:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I appreciate you. Thank you, sir.
[01:00:01] Speaker A: And talking to Coach Rainey, the term, it can't be that simple comes to mind, but it really is that simple for the programs that have success.
They're great at the things that help that program win games.
They figure out what works for them and have the discipline to stay focused on those things.
Congrats to Coach Rainey and the entire Blanchard High School program.
Thanks again to John Litchfield, Zach Hale, Matt Weston, ABC Office for all the help on the podcast.
Feel free to reach out to me via email rbrownleca.org Twitter, Instagram, or TikTok @CoachBCA or direct message me via the MyBCA app. This is Ryan Brownlee signing off with the American Baseball Coaches Association. Thanks and leave it better for those.
[01:00:44] Speaker B: Keeps on turning and your life is not for turning and you know that.
[01:00:53] Speaker A: Way Yep Wait for another day.
[01:00:59] Speaker B: And the world will always return as your love Never for yearning and you know that place Wait for another day.
