Dr. Barry Davis - Assistant Coach, Princeton University

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Prior to arriving at Ryder, Davis coached at Georgia Southwestern State University and Gloucester County College, amassing over a thousand wins at all three stops. Let's welcome Dr. Barry Davis to the podcast. Hi, here with Dr. Barry Davis was assistant this spring at Princeton. After 20 seasons as head coach at Ryder University. Had over a thousand wins at Ryder, but in four. I read that you're in four different hall of Fames now, so thanks for jumping on. [00:02:54] Speaker B: Well, I'm in. I'm in five. My high school actually inducted me last November, which was exciting. I went in with one of my teammates who played. He was a very good player, played some pro ball, made it to the big leagues, so that was exciting night. My high school coach, who's still still with us and very, very vibrant and healthy, he introduced us. So it was fun. It was a fun night. [00:03:20] Speaker A: So I wasn't That I wasn't that good in high school. And like, Don Mattingly is in my high school hall of Fame. And so I, I, like, I, I don't think I'm gonna, I probably don't think I'll crack Memorial High School hall of Fame ever. I wasn't that good in high school. [00:03:33] Speaker B: Well, hey, I don't know if I was good enough either, but they, they snuck me in there. [00:03:38] Speaker A: Hey, what's continuing education meant to you? You got your PhD in 2019 and you got your master's in 1989. I mean, what has that done for you in your career and what's it meant for you? [00:03:50] Speaker B: Well, I've always valued education. When I got into college at Bridgewater, I mean, I was motivated and my professors were good. I mean, they made me feel, you know, I mean, they pushed me. But, you know, I, I became pretty fairly successful student and I've always enjoyed learning. And the, the gap between my master's degree, which I was always told, you can't coach in college if you don't have a master's degree. So I'm like, okay, so I gotta go get that. But then there was a time period between there and when I was a junior college coach and then moving into the Georgia Southwestern, NAI and then to Ryder. There was always a few times along that path where I wanted to pursue a PhD, and for various reasons and timing, I was not able to do it. So. And then I decided in 2013 to, you know, get the application rolling and you know, doing all the things in the process to, to get started. But it has made, especially the PhD program, the Bachelor's and the master's, kind of got me into coaching. But then the coaching career has kind of, you know, had ebbs and flows mostly up, but there's a few downs. But the PhD, the study, the research, things that I would never really find, like the normal person that's just, you know, reading a magazine or reading a book. I mean, I'm digging into like peer reviewed articles in the, in the, in the early 1900s, you know, you know, after you dig through the, the article that comes out in 2015 has a reference in 1999, it has a reference in 1978, which has a reference to 1950. So you just keep going through those references and you start to get a, a broad view of how leadership and coaching and developing organizations happen. You know, how they happen and the, the, the elements and the ingredients to be successful. So that was the, the, that was basically what my program was aimed At. I mean, there was other courses, statistics and other things that I had to take. But for the most part, everything was geared towards that dissertation, which I wrote on turning programs around. And I felt like, you look at my history. Every program that I took over was not very good. When I took over or they had struggled. I mean, Gloucester County College was really nothing. I mean, there was nothing. So everything I did was. Had my. Had my name on it or I had my stamp on it. I mean, we didn't have any cage, we didn't have any dugouts, we had no water on the field. The fence was just atrocious. The backstop was falling down. I mean, actually, I tell the story. It was almost perfect. I'm 24. This place is. I mean, everything. I was just like, okay, we gotta fix this. So we'd fix it next year, we'd fix this. All the while building the program. And we started to be successful. So it's always been the growth mindset that's kept me moving in the right direction. And I would say the last 10 years is where I've made the biggest gains in my coaching ability, you know, to be able to communicate properly. Not that I didn't before, but I am much better now and I can see the flaws. And I think the position I'm in now is a direct correlation to the study and the research and the people that I've met and spoke with on the highest level to let me know that, hey, there are some other things out there that you need to pursue, that you need to look at. I feel like if I was hired again, I would be, I wouldn't say 100% better, but I would be much better. I would be so much better as a communicator, as a leader, as a. As a someone to set the example. Not that I didn't before, but I was doing it, but I wasn't paying attention to it. There was no intentional. There's no deliberate acts of making people feel. Feel good. You know, if they felt good, they felt good. They didn't feel good, they didn't feel good, they didn't care about it. You know, winning was really important, and it still is. But the process of. Of leading and, and being a sounding board for young people, it just. All of that is. Is made such a world of difference. And our last four or five years at Rider reflected that in our success. And I think it's attributed to a lot of me just letting other people do their job, being a better communicator, being clear, having the Expectations, standards, you know, and consistency. And that. That seemed to be the kind of the. The steps along the way. [00:08:52] Speaker A: Do you think that should be a concern from an educator standpoint with chat, GBT and AI? Because you talk about the. The deep dive, which I had to do for my master's and as an undergrad. I think that's a concern for all of us. I. I do like chat, GPT and AI, but I think you're going to lose some of that deep dive into actually understanding a subject by having to go back so far to get an understanding of it. I think that's a huge concern for, for education going forward now. [00:09:19] Speaker B: I think for me, and I understand what you're saying, I think for me, just how I'm wired, I would use the chat gbt, I would put all the things I know in there and then let it, formulate it. But I would also still go back and edit it, you know, to make sure it says what I want it to say. However, I feel like I would only use it when I feel like I need to use it. Like, if I want to find out the information, I can go. I need to go find it myself. That's just me. But I've used it. I did not use it for the book I wrote, but I still think if I tried to use it, I would not be as genuine or authentic, you know? You know, because it doesn't have my voice or the way I would say it or the way I would tell the story. So I think it is a problem, I guess, for. For educators when they're especially young kids. [00:10:21] Speaker A: I mean, that's unmotivated. You have younger kids to do the. [00:10:24] Speaker B: Work, and they want somebody else to do the work and do the thinking for them. I think. And I've told this story when I speak, I think I grew up in sports, the perfect time. I grew up in the 70s when sports was just getting going on television, like, really getting going. Like it was 50s, 60s, it was on. But the 70s, color, you know, World Series, you getting the super bowl, you know, Ali, Frazier, you know, that going on, Rumble in the Jungle, you know, the UCLA basketball, you know, all of that sort of. When I was a kid, I could see. So I have a little bit of the old school, and I have just enough of the new school to help me bring out the old school. So I feel like I'm in a good spot. I'm learning still, but I still like the basic experience that I have and say, hey, I made this mistake or that mistake, and I Never really talk about AI or we don't discuss it when we're at practice or anything. But I get what you're saying, and I'm sure it's a concern for most, but I do think it's helpful in certain situations. But for me, I'd rather pull out the book. I mean, I got a bunch of them behind me, open it up, highlight it, you know, that type of thing. So fun, fun stuff. [00:11:48] Speaker A: I have a friend that's a middle school coach that's using it for scouting reports and, and perspective lineups and pitching matchups, actually. [00:11:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:57] Speaker A: A lot of success this season. [00:11:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I guess there's a way of using it properly, I guess, but I'm not. That's not me. I'm more, you know, what I'm looking at, what I see, and I guess it's. It's like all the. All the track mans and the spin rates and. And then we get in the game and the kid I got can't put the ball where I need it. It really doesn't matter, you know, I mean, it just. [00:12:25] Speaker A: It's the human element that's still the beautiful thing about baseball. [00:12:29] Speaker B: Sure. [00:12:29] Speaker A: What was it like taking over for Sonny Pitaro, ABC hall of Famer LEGEND what was it like taking over for some Sonny? [00:12:36] Speaker B: Well, I was first. I was really, really excited to get back to New Jersey because I spent four years in Georgia and I didn't realize how much, and that's crazy. I grew up in Virginia that I'll never. I'll never work past maybe Washington D.C. or Baltimore or whatever. Even that was like. That was almost like going to Canada. For me, I. I looked at it as a privilege and an honor to. To be able to go there first. And I knew. I knew Sonny because I knew him when I was coaching at Gloucester county and I would see him and so we had a. Somewhat a relationship, more of a professional relationship. I didn't play for him and that type of thing. So it was a challenge. It was first. I was excited to get back home, you know, in New Jersey, which was kind of home to me. Felt like it was a program that I could, you know, we could improve and get better and. But I knew something had. You know, he's a Hall of Famer. He was a president of the. Of the association, I believe, at the time or right. Right before I got the job there. And I just looked at as I need to do. I need to try to do my best to. To keep Ryder, you know, keep improving, you know, follow the tradition to, to be successful, to. To go to an NCAA tournament. I, I never. I mean, they hadn't been to one in a while to win a conference tournament. And I think just the process of just trying to do the best you can do and, you know, try to make them, make all the Rider people that were there proud of what we're doing and. Because when I first got the job, there were a lot of. A lot of people that weren't real happy because they wanted to keep it in the family and that type of thing, and, And I understand that, but I also understand that I had nothing to do with that. I was just. I wanted an opportunity to coach at the Division 1 school, and Ryder gave me the opportunity. And I think over the course of 20 years, we were able to do some really good things. And, and we did it over three decades. You know, 08, we won 10, we won 15 and 13 and 15. We won regular season titles, and then we won the tournament again in 21, in 23. So I think the longevity was there, and I felt like I left the place better than what it was when I got it. But Sonny has. I mean, he was there for 34 years and a phenomenal coach, well thought of by his players and hall of Famer and even before him, Tom Petrov. So Ryder Little Rider has up until this year had three coaches from 1961 to 2024. That's. That's pretty amazing for a little school like Ryder that baseball people know but not a lot of other people know about. [00:15:26] Speaker A: How do you handle that outside noise? It happens to a lot of guys when it's not hired from within and you bring somebody in from the outside. How do you handle that outside noise when you. [00:15:36] Speaker B: I just think I work hard. Just work hard and try to evaluate. I still kind of. I'm still relatively young at 39, and first I was so excited to get back, so I think that trumped a lot of it. And I didn't worry about as much. Although it does bother you, I think, you know, deep, you know, but I think just working, you know, doing the best you can do, trying to evaluate what you have, trying to get better players than what the ones that were there. Hustle, you know, out, outwork the other guy. That's always been something that I've tried to do, even when I first started. I mean, I really just wanted to be a really good coach and I wanted to do really well. You know, I wanted the teams to do really well. So I just think I put my head down and Tried to not worry about as much the things I couldn't control. That's really a thing you say now. A lot control, you control. But looking back on it, I think I did a pretty good job of not worrying about what I couldn't, I couldn't control. And I had good support from the people at Ryder at the time. [00:16:49] Speaker A: Did you handle the postseason different than the regular season? [00:16:53] Speaker B: A little bit, yeah. I thought so. I always thought to myself, I'm gonna do everything I can to get you into postseason. Now you guys go ahead and take it from here. Let me get out of the way. But I felt relaxed in the tournament. I felt like it was always a privilege to make it to the tournament. You always, there was a goal once you get there in that tournament and it felt like even if you didn't play well, maybe if you didn't, you know, get champ, you know, you weren't the champion. You still had a good year. You still had, you know, you met that goal and an accomplishment. So I didn't, I thought I coached, I coached different in the bigger games than I did in the games I thought I needed to win. Like the ones that you should win. I was probably tighter in those games than I was when I was playing at Oklahoma or at Duke or in the, at Coastal or at Louisiana Tech or wherever we were playing. And we played in four regionals but. And we played in several championships, Mac tournament championships. And I always thought it was fun. It was more fun, less. It was, it just seemed, hey, we're here, let's play. And I think that helped. [00:18:04] Speaker A: I just don't think people talk about it enough. Like for the one bid leagues there's a lot of pressure because you might win the regular season but there's no guarantee that you're going to get into the tournament. I think there's more pressure on the one bid leagues to have to win the tournament because you know that you're one shot rather than some of the bigger conferences where you're going to get multiple bids. I think there's a lot more pressure on the mid majors because it's going to be your conference tournament champion that gets in. [00:18:31] Speaker B: Yes. And we were regular season champions twice and both of those teams were very good teams. Matter of fact, you can make an argument if you, if you compare all the teams, they were better than the 21 team that won the 10 team or the 18. Now the 23 team was a little different. That was a good team. But the 13 and 15. And I think we, I don't know if we played down or we were overconfident, but we were certainly playing. We didn't play the same way. Plus, although everybody's playing us, they're playing the number one team. So you have a little bit of a target on your back. And we had been successful before, so we couldn't really sneak around too many people. And there were some good teams in those tournaments, like Canisius had good teams. Mike McCrae, who's. Who's done a wonderful job. Wherever he went, his teams were always tough. And I think in both of those terms, both of those years, they knocked us out, you know, and they were very good. So, yeah, the one big thing, we always kind of knew that. So it was not. I think the tournament gives you. I think that's. That's who they should send. The tournament champion, not the regular season champion. Although we had that one Covid year where Fairfield was unbelievable. [00:19:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:52] Speaker B: And we got hot, you know, and won that tournament. Got hot over. Over a couple weekends. Played well. That was one that won't. But it won't happen again unless we, you know, there's extenuating circumstances. But one big league, a lot of leagues are in the same situation. So I just looked at it. Let's get to the tournament. Let's qualify for the tournament. That was usually my biggest stressor making the tournament, especially when we hosted it. Oh, man. Nothing worse than hosting and not being in it. But every time we hosted it, we found a way to get in it and we wanted four times and we were second place once, third place twice, and fourth place once. So get in. Just get in. And I think that's. That. That was what I always thought. [00:20:38] Speaker A: Do you feel like the tournament champions should go because they're getting hot at that point? And it is. I mean, if you look at the national champions, it's usually the team that gets hot at the end of the year. They may not have started out great, but we have plenty of teams that got hot late and won a national championship. [00:20:56] Speaker B: Absolutely. I mean, I think the four years that we went two times, we probably were the better team. The other two times was we were hot. And, you know, we probably. We didn't show as well in the tournament as maybe the other teams did. But I. I mean, when you have a tournament of four teams, you know, the fourth place team is usually a pretty good team. It's when you have those 18 tournaments and the seventh place team gets hot for a weekend because the league, from my experience, always wants to send the best team. I mean, they want to send a quality team. And if you're letting 8, 9, 10 teams in there, sometimes in the lower level conferences or the mid majors, that if you get high, I mean, you see it, you'll see it in a couple of weeks. There'll be some teams that'll have, you know, 15 and 30 records, but they'll be in the tournament. And hey, that's, but that's, that's to, to me, those types of schools, that's their World Series, that's their super regional. Very rarely, rarely, especially now, are you going to see a Mac or Northeast or a Patriot League or, you know, you know, go into a regional and, and win one. I mean, we came within a foot or 2 in 20, 23 of playing for, in a game that would get us to the super regional. [00:22:29] Speaker A: You guys played great in that tournament, by the way. I watched, I watched a lot of your games in that tournament. You guys played great. [00:22:35] Speaker B: Thank you. Probably the most accomplished team I had in all those years. And my coaches were great. Lee Lipinski, who was my assistant then, he was, he's, you know, he's the head coach now. He's the interim coach. And they're doing, they're doing fine this year, too. They're in there. It's them in Fairfield this weekend for the regular season title. So I have my eyes on that one from afar. Yes. [00:23:00] Speaker A: Was Gloucester your first job out of Bridgewater? [00:23:03] Speaker B: No, I worked at George Mason for one year under Billy Brown. [00:23:08] Speaker A: I love Billy Brown. [00:23:10] Speaker B: Thank God Billy Brown let me work for him. I mean, I mean, he didn't pay me much, but he didn't pay me. I didn't care. I just wanted to get started and he, he let me start and then, and he was, he was great. Then. I coached one year at Frostburg to finish my Masters. George Mason wasn't paying. They didn't have a graduate assistant program and Frostburg did. So I played, I coached under Bob Wells, who's probably one of the most underrated coaches of all time. Really brilliant coach. Both I had great, great mentors that, I mean, they all knew baseball. Billy was really, really organized, so he taught me how to be organized and Wells taught me how to run the game. And, and I was just, I was trying to sponge up everything. And even today, my practice schedules are very similar to Billy Brown's schedules. His was handwritten. I mean, Billy would write that thing out. I'll say, Billy, coach, Coach Brown. That thing was detailed to the, to the minute. And I still took that with me. For all the 35 years really of head coaching, I used basically Billy Brown's frame framework template to, to run a practice. And I still haven't mastered the game yet. Nobody ever does. But I love Wells was always seemed like to me two, three innings ahead and he would explain it. And Frostburg was always fundamentally sound. We could, I mean, we had pick off plays, we could bond, we could squeeze, we'd steal. We knew how to play. He had his own playbook. Each player had his own playbook, which was interesting in 1989, you know, to have your, the coach write his own playbook. I have it over here somewhere. Yeah. [00:25:00] Speaker A: So yeah, both of these do an individual playbook for each player. [00:25:03] Speaker B: Well, he had a playbook. He had the Frostburg State baseball playbook and he taught a theory class and that was what they use as the textbook. But each player had the textbook. I think each player took the class. And a lot of high school baseball coaches in Maryland have a Bob Wells background. [00:25:22] Speaker A: It's like the Ron Pope book. [00:25:23] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, both those guys probably should be in the ABC hall of Fame. I mean, Wells probably won't because he didn't really do much in the. Within the abca. Probably wasn't even a member. I don't know. But he, he deserves to be. Yeah. In there. A lot of people learn from Bob Wells. [00:25:46] Speaker A: How's the transition this spring going from a 20 year Division 1 head coach and then being an assistant? [00:25:52] Speaker B: Well, I try to keep an open mind, you know, and look at the value that I was, that I could bring to Princeton in terms of experience, meeting a new set of people, seeing a different leg, you know, but just being, you know, being there without having the responsibility that I had for 20, 20 plus years, that was, that was enjoyable. Like right now I don't have, not. I'm, I'm on with you. And when I get done, I might go take a walk and listen to a podcast. So I think it's been refreshing. And I enjoy coaching the kids and not having to, to, I wouldn't say worry about winning and losing, but being able just to teach and think about, you know, and that's where I think, like I said earlier in our talk, my growth as a, as a coach really came out at Princeton because I didn't have to make the lineup, I didn't have to run the budget, I didn't have to be on five, six recruiting calls. I didn't have to look at six, four, three, or synergy. He just told me, look, be Here be another set of eyes. You see something, let me know. And that's what I did. And I think the young guys that are there at Princeton, they were wonderful, wonderful. And if I get the opportunity to go back, I will. But I think I got better this year just by being less responsible for things. I did meet a lot of umpires that did a double take because it was kind of unpublicized. Right. You know, nobody really knew, like Steve Owens at Rutgers. Looked at the roster, goes. They got a Barry Davis coaching, too? No, it's that. That's this Barry Davis, you know, so. But I had a little bit of that, which was fun. But I do still miss, you know, being in charge and. And everybody, you know, looking at me and saying, okay, what are we going to do? And if I do get another opportunity, which I hope I do, if I don't, I'm okay. But if I do, I'll be. I'll be much better at the profession and I won't worry about the wins. I'll worry about, you know, teaching and helping. And I think that's where I've sort of landed. But I'll say this, and you know this. You've been in ABC a long time. There was. There was a speech that Pat Williams gave in Orlando, Florida in 2007. It was the best to me, the best leadership talk I've ever heard and probably still is. And I. I got it. I got a tape of it, a cd. I downloaded it. It's on my computer. It's on my. I can stick. It's on my phone. And it's. That was the turning point. And that's. That's the preface in my book. That was the turning point. That was 07. But it made me start to think about being a leader. And I still had a lot to do. But in the back of my mind, if I were to go back, that's one of the most significant emotional events in my life that changed the way I started to think. And then I had a tape and no one would know this man, his name's Tony Mason, he was a football coach at Arizona in the 70s, coached in the 60s. Coach, like against Dick Butkus when he was in college. But I. A parent gave me this cassette tape and I still had. I found the tape and I recorded the tape on a Walkman. I actually had to go buy a Walkman on ebay. And I. I taped it. It's down. It sounded as clear. That was another one on motivation that changed the way I thought, didn't really appreciate either one. At the time I did, but not really now. I. Now it's like, it's huge. And those, those two, those are two things that happened. And then, you know, Skip Burtman, you know, there's a Skip Bertman story that really made a difference, too, for me. He said some good things about me at a clinic that we were both speaking at. He actually came up on stage and told this long story about the Miami pickoff. Because I was giving a talk on trick plays, and he made me stand there and he talked about that trick play. And then right at the end, he looks over at me and goes. And that's why you got to the crowd. Like, that's why you got to have those trick plays. I mean, I felt like my head blew up. I felt like I was 10ft tall. And you know what the thing is, though? I didn't realize it. He didn't have to do that. He didn't have to do that. He didn't know me. I'm a little guy from Gloucester County College. He's the Olympic coach. He was sitting in the third row. He came around and got up on stage before I got off. He didn't have to do that. So reverse that and see if I can be someone. Maybe not. I mean, I won't be as accomplished as Skip Bergman, but I can also make people that I can help feel good. And he made me feel good that day. And he had no reason to do it. None. Think about. I just thought about that. That's a wonderful thing to be able to do. He knew that he had that kind of presence and that kind of influence, and he made me feel like. I mean, I was 32 years old and I was. I mean, he didn't have to do that, and he did it. That. That's what we need more of. And I've been around coaches that I've, I've, I've, you know, looked up to, or I thought they were. They won't give you the time of day. That's why they're Skip Bourbons. And that's why the other people, I, I, they've disappeared. And they really have a lot of those guys. I could tell stories. I'm not going to tell that. They've just gone away. Burtman's. The Burtman's don't go away. The Mike Biancos don't go away. You know, I mean, I can go through a whole list. Tim Corbins, Brian o' Connors, all these guys. They're all like, that There's a bunch, you know, but that. That's kind of what I envision as a coach. So when I speak to someone, I want to speak in those. In that type of way. So you feel like, hey, he. He likes me. He thinks enough of me and always trying to help. So I think that's where I've come and, like I said, landed after all these years. And I wouldn't have known it if I didn't do those studies. [00:32:36] Speaker A: How do you handle that quick a turnaround? Every job I ever got. School had already started at the school. I got a job. How do you handle that quick a turnaround? And trying to build some. Some relationships with the players before the season got going. [00:32:50] Speaker B: Well, I think now, if I did it today, I mean, it would be like, okay, introduce each other. We talk. What do you like to do? What are your goals? You know, what. What's important to you? What are your values? How can I help you? And when things get rough and you're. Or if you're playing under me and you're not doing what I think you need to do, how do you want me to coach you? I mean, what do you want me to do? Do you want me to. Do you mean, to hug you and say, listen, you can do better? Do you want me to get on you? You know, I mean, the old story. The story with Joe Montana when he. When Mike Holmgren becomes the offensive coordinator at the 49ers, and they said, well, Joe Monis. Joe Montana told coach Holmgren, Mike Holmgren said, look, coach me hard. And Holman said, listen, if Joe Montana's coaching me hard, I can coach them all hard. And so I think that's one of the things. And I think. But overall, I think you speak to the group first, you know, because they can't really question you, you know, because you're in the group. You know, that's the old Tony Mason thing I took. You know, he's like, if you go somewhere and he would say, you're at a lousy concert or lousy anything, and. And the guy finishes or gal finishes, and then everybody starts to stand up and clap, and then you stand up because. But you didn't really want to stand up, so you stand up. So he says that's because, like, when you're. When you're in a group, you know, you're a collective mind. And I always took that. But then you go and do the individuals, I think, just learning your people, letting them know that you're. You're. I'm your I'm your coach, you're my guy. You know, I mean, we're going to do. These are the standards and expectations, this is the mission, these are the principles, this is the vision that we have. And hopefully you'll, you'll buy into that. And I'm going to do everything I can to set the example that I'm going to live up to those standards. And then I think it starts like that, day one, and then you just do it. And day to day, consistency, habits, you know, I mean, I don't know, I, that's, I mean, I'm in the weight room with them, working out. I, I get in there with them if I can, you know, time constraints, whatever. I just think all that's all that to me is, is fun. You know, I'm here, we're together and I think that's the first, that's the first step, that's the first thing that goes through my mind. And then of course, you know, administration, the people on campus, you know, meeting the various departments and things. The people that are going to help you and then how are you going to help them? How is the program viewed on campus? What do people think about us? You know, every program, like, you know, you go to certain programs, they have a stigma, you know, hey, they're not good students or they're trouble, you know, they're, they're very undisciplined. Okay, then we need to know that and then we'll work on ways to fix it. [00:35:38] Speaker A: When did you know it was time to look for a new opportunity along the way? [00:35:43] Speaker B: You mean this most recent one along. [00:35:45] Speaker A: Your journey or did they just come? [00:35:49] Speaker B: Well, I went every, you know, again, when you're young, you know, like, what's the next best thing? You're always thinking, I'm going to go, I'm headed to wherever. But the first step was vision, envisioning what it would look like when I became a head coach first. Like, what would we wear? [00:36:07] Speaker A: It's called manifestation, by the way. [00:36:09] Speaker B: What would practice. What's that? [00:36:10] Speaker A: It's called manifestation. [00:36:12] Speaker B: Yeah, so I would, I, I kind of knew I'd be going for jogs and I'd be thinking about, this is what's going to look like. This is what I'm going to say. This is, you know, I had this vision, you know, it's the old thing, if you can see it, you can do it type thing. Luckily, Joe Arnold, the old ex Florida coach, was walking in a different, walking towards me and I stopped and I'm like, I'm really looking for a job, but what do I do? And I knew him, but I didn't know him, but I knew him, knew his name, and I knew where he came from. And I'm trying to get jobs, assistant jobs. I mean, I'm getting nothing. I don't know. I'm 22, you know, I mean, I think. I think I'm like, you know, I'm the next big league coach. You know, I'm like, but I wasn't. But in my mind I was. And he said, you need to look at junior college. And I never thought. Oh, I never really thought of that. So it's weird. And then within probably a couple months, this job at Gloucester opens. So we start winning. So then I start applying. And then it just so happens. Georgia Southwestern. I wanted to. The junior college had gotten to be a struggle. I'm teaching full time, you know, recruiting constant, you know, so I'm looking for the next best thing. And I went to Southwestern. Nai. Tough move from Jersey to South Georgia. Learned a lot of. A lot of things. But then I wanted to get to. And then I wanted to be a Division 1 coach or Division 2 coach. I interviewed for a couple jobs when I was at Southwestern. Didn't get them. And then I was able to get the writer job. And I had some wonderful references. Billy Brown, Danny hall at Georgia Tech. I mean, these are guys I leaned on to help me. So each step it seemed like, okay, it's time to. I can't make it any better. Like, I couldn't make Gloucester county any better at that time. I mean, we were. We won four national championships. I mean, we had just won two in a row. There's really nothing else to do. So Southwestern, I think there was just a life there. It was hard. It was naia. They didn't have tons of money. We were really good. But there was a. I mean, there was a part where it's like, I don't think we're going to be able to get much better. I think the. You know, I didn't. I didn't adjust to this lifestyle down there as well, but I met a lot of good people. And then when I got the Rider job, it was. That's where I want to be. And then we won a regional. I mean, one. One conference tournament and went to the regional. Then we did it again. So now I'm like, okay, maybe I can do this. And then it sort of hit a point where I just. I didn't give up. But I said, I got to go get my PhD now, because I know where I'm going to probably be. And then when I quit or when I retire or when I, whatever, I want to have this, to be able to be able to do something else. Plus, it was, you know, a challenge and it was just something I wanted to do. But every step came about the right time. This was the right time for me. And I could have stayed at Ryder and coach this season, but I felt like I kind of knew last year. I was like, okay, I need to, I need to improve myself, get around better people. Not that Ryder had bad people, but I'm just saying I needed for me to grow professionally, I needed to, to do something else. And I don't know if that helps. [00:39:50] Speaker A: Because you probably felt like the assistance could, could take over for you at Ryder. [00:39:54] Speaker B: Curse. [00:39:54] Speaker A: Correct. [00:39:55] Speaker B: Well, Lee. Yeah, Lee Lipinski was played for me for five years. Hard worker, leader. He coached with me for a year. Then he stayed on. Then he stayed on, then he stayed on. And I mean, he hardly, I mean, he was part time, he's doing lessons, worked hard, kept his nose to the grindstone, was able to run practices. A lot of times, you know, he started to learn the way we taught. I mean, he knew what we were doing. He was there. He was with me for 12 years. And if I, if I had any influence on anybody in coaching, it'd have to be him because he was with me the longest. So I'm very proud that they're 30 and 16 right now and have a chance to win the regular season. I was just there several months ago as the head coach, but we knew it was, I knew when I was going to resign, but I had no doubt that he couldn't handle the on the field stuff, off the field, administrative stuff. He's going to have to learn that stuff. And that's a little different. That comes with, that's just learning, learning on the fly. [00:41:11] Speaker A: That's on the job, training. Yeah, like, you can try to explain that to people, but that's one of those. You got to get in and do it. Like you, you can't explain that somebody, you got to get in that seat as the head coach and actually go through it to experience it. [00:41:27] Speaker B: And again, if I were to coach someplace else, I would have to learn their system. You know, there's a whole system. You know how you get a check request, you know how you, you know, this itinerary, you know, this budget line, that budget line, this department head, that department head find, you know, residence, life, financial aid, security, you know, all of that. That's all part of it. [00:41:53] Speaker A: Where does Rob Valli fit in that mix of former assistants? [00:41:58] Speaker B: He was coach. He coached with me in 1996. [00:42:02] Speaker A: He's won a lot of national championships now, too. [00:42:04] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And so I left Gloucester. He took over. I think he won one, and he took the Temple job. And then Temple sort of was. That was a tough. That was a tough hire. I mean, not a tough hire, but a tough job to be successful at and eventually, you know, got rid of the program. Mike Dixon, who's at Rowan, done a wonderful job at Rowan. Mike takes over at Gloucester and they win. And then he leaves to go to Rowan, doing wonderful things there. And. And then Rob comes back and I think he's won three. I think he has three, I think. And he's gonna. And he's gonna get another one this year, if that's what it looks like, you know, so at least tough this year. [00:42:51] Speaker A: Yeah, this year, for the first time, I'm gonna go to the Division 3 Junior College World Series. For the first time this year, I'm excited about it. That's one of the few ones I have not been to yet. So I'm excited about going up to New York, to the Finger Lakes and. And seeing it. [00:43:04] Speaker B: That'll. Well, first of all, that's great. That's pretty. It's a beautiful part of the country. And Rob's done again, Mr. Consistency and knows the game. He's a Barry Davis supporter. You know, he likes. You know, I mean, he's helped me, you know, as, you know, and I'm certainly on his side. We talk probably two or three times during the. During the year. And I feel like Southwest. I mean, Southwestern is actually being coached right now by a former player of mine. So at three places, you know, I got my players, two players, and then a former coach under me. They had jobs at the places that I was at. So. You know, it's funny we're talking about this. I never thought about that completely that day. [00:43:55] Speaker A: Well, that shows you left it better. Like, that's the thing. Like, if you hadn't done a good job at those places, there's no way that they hire somebody that had worked for. For you or been in contact with you. Like, that shows you did a good job at those places because they're going to listen and they know that they coached with you or coached or played for you. [00:44:13] Speaker B: Right. [00:44:13] Speaker A: It shows that you did a good job at those places. [00:44:15] Speaker B: Well, I appreciate that. And that might always. It always strokes the ego a little bit when you know, that maybe help. You know, you've done. You've done pretty good in some things, so I pull for those guys. I just, I mean, I'm always checking. I went down to saw my alma mater play this weekend. First time I've seen my alma mater play since 1988. Think about that. I mean, I mean, that's how I'm so busy, see? And now I'm not as busy. [00:44:42] Speaker A: Were you down in Harrisonburg? [00:44:43] Speaker B: I was down in Tyson's Corner. That's where the ODAC tournament was. So Lynchburg, Randolph Macon, Bridgewater and Shenandoah. [00:44:53] Speaker A: Was that the Capital One Ballpark? [00:44:55] Speaker B: Yep. [00:44:56] Speaker A: It's a great facility. [00:44:58] Speaker B: Yes. [00:44:58] Speaker A: And the Watermark Hotel is beautiful, by the way. We did our Youth Summit there three years ago at the Watermark. And you can see the stadium from the Watermark. [00:45:07] Speaker B: And the Watermark Hotel gets A plus grades from me. [00:45:11] Speaker A: Unbelievable hotel. [00:45:13] Speaker B: The room. The elevators are a little tricky. [00:45:17] Speaker A: Check in area. That restaurant, the outdoor patio area. Shout out, anybody going to dc, Go to Tyson's Corner. Stay. It's a little expensive, but stay at the Watermark Hotel. [00:45:27] Speaker B: It's. Yes. And in order Watermark, you send both of us some kind of check for this endorsement brought to you by Watermark Hotel. [00:45:35] Speaker A: On topic, my son. Son and my mom, we went to a concert in D.C. and because we had done the Youth Summit there, I actually paid for us to stay at the Watermark because it was so nice. So shout out. Shout out, Watermark Hotel. [00:45:51] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:45:52] Speaker A: Over the years, did you have to coach every position on the field? [00:45:57] Speaker B: When I first started, yes. [00:45:59] Speaker A: I caught both pitching. Yes. And I did, too. [00:46:02] Speaker B: So called the pitches. I mean, Gloucester didn't have any money. I mean, it was, it was me. And then I'd have a. I'd have a former player if he wanted to get into coaching. I'm always, always been, if you want to get into coaching, I'll give you a chance, you know, and it. They didn't always work out, but a lot of them did. And, you know, you always want people to. You always want to help others. And that was, you know, that was how it, how it worked. But yes, I'd coach them all. I'd call the pitches. I've caught bullpens through the bat and practice, hit the infield, dragged the field, pump the field with water, get the water off. Yeah. High energy. High energy as a young person. Still have it, but not that I don't have to do as much. You have more people working for you now, which helps, but slowly Lately, CEO Ish. You know, run the game, run the program, let the coaches coach. You know, input when you need to input. And, you know, that's how. That's why I wrote the book. I mean, the book's essentially kind of about not what it's about me, but it's about a person like me, you know, and having a mentor. The book is about two coach, about a coach and a former coach who's now a president. The president's mentoring the coach on his emotional intelligence skills. You know, so the book, this story about the coach turning the program around, but he's also turning around his emotional level and trying to raise that through the assistance from someone who has what I put in the book, Gold Medal People Skills. [00:47:43] Speaker A: What is the name of the book? What's the title? [00:47:45] Speaker B: The book? The book is Old Dog, New Tricks. The Power of Leading with Emotional Intelligence. It's fiction. It's a women's basketball coach who's a former NBA coach who was fired for emotional issues. And he goes to this fictitious college called Virginia Central State University in Eagle Gap, Virginia. And there's a coffee shop that has a group of people that are kind of the community followers. And then the lady that runs it, she's kind of a redneck country, but she's a big fan. And she talks like that. You know, she has a certain type of vernacular. So I wanted them. And then this coach, through the assistance of the president, who's been told by the board of directors, get women's basketball going. Because, you know, as anybody else would know, women's basketball is one of the hottest sports in America. So that's what, in my mind, I didn't want to do baseball. That's. I wouldn't say it's boring, but I've already done baseball I wanted to do. And it's not really about X's and O's in basketball. It's about developing relationships and coaching. And then there's a couple coaching tidbits and things that they do within the program to help turn it around. You know, they have a good player. Patricia Crowe is the best player. And then you have Tiffany Hitchcock, who's a pain in the butt and trouble. And. And then you find out that. Why she's like that. And this. That that whole. It's one season, and it doesn't end in the championship where they win it all. They. They have a winning season and it's like by one game. But that. That's the goal. So they're. They're the story. If you Read it and you follow it through the book. There's a lot of small lessons that you can take from it. The lessons that I've learned over 35 years of coaching and I think it's gotten pretty good reviews so far from the people that have read it. It's going to release at the end of June. I, I don't know when. So when you, when you, when this. [00:50:06] Speaker A: When this will come out the 1st of June. [00:50:10] Speaker B: So it's going to come out on Amazon. And, and I, and I, you know, is again another goal, another something I wanted to do and got great influence from Brian Kane. He was. [00:50:26] Speaker A: Kaner's nudged a lot of people to write books. Shout out Brian Kane, Justin Toole. Justin Toole wrote a book because of Brian. Brian Forston, basically. [00:50:33] Speaker B: And Brian Kane would make me do. I could. If he got on me, I knew about anything. I, I would. Yeah, I, I'd have a little Goggins. [00:50:44] Speaker A: Before David Goggin, anybody knew who David Goggins was. [00:50:47] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, he always say, hey, if you're, if you're juiceless, you're useless. [00:50:52] Speaker A: Yes. [00:50:53] Speaker B: So I took that with me. So he's, he's been a big, A big. Meant a mentor or a big influence on, on how I do things. And there's some other. The guy who wrote the forward. Dr. Rob Gilbert Success Hotline. [00:51:08] Speaker A: I still use that number in my chat. I still, when I go speak, I still put that number up there and make people call it. Well, still doing it. [00:51:17] Speaker B: He wrote the Forward and had some really good things to say about it. So I'm excited about the book and, and we'll see what this does for me down the road. You know, I enjoyed the process of doing it again. Challenges, hard things, trying to do tough things, trying to make yourself better. I think that's kind of the theme here, you know, for me. And I don't want, I don't bore. I don't want, you know, laying around doing nothing. It's not, not exciting. [00:51:47] Speaker A: Outside of baseball, who do you feel like are the best leaders out there? Ooh, could be current or past. [00:51:54] Speaker B: Well, the. Well, in terms of like. You mean, like historically. Yeah, I'm reading. I mean, I'm reading right now. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was unbelievable. [00:52:05] Speaker A: FDR is a good one. [00:52:06] Speaker B: I mean, you took on the Depression, then you got World War II. The, the world is just coming, Coming apart. And he was able to surround himself and I think the lesson is surround himself with great people. And the line in the book I'm reading It says first rate, second rate intelligence, first rate temperament. So I'd put him high there and emotional intelligence, which I think is a great leader. Alan Mullaley. Mullalay. I don't know if I pronounced that correctly. He, he basically turned around Boeing and Ford. He was amazing. Herb Kelleher, Southwest Airlines. Tremendous. Not Forbes, wrote an article. Number one attribute. He was interested in his people. Number one. There was 20 things they listed, and that was number one. He was phenomenal. [00:53:01] Speaker A: Warren Buffett, that's his retirement. Warren Buffett just announced his retirement. [00:53:06] Speaker B: There's another one. Greg Popovich, Steve Kerr, those two. And probably the one that I didn't, I'll mention. Well, I'll stop here because I could keep going, probably. Dean Smith, Dean Smith never cursed. Not that that if you curse, it means you're bad. Never cursed. He knew everybody's name. And King Rice, who played point guard for him in the late 80s, told me no matter how tough the situation was or how tight it was or whatever, he was never shaken. Never. So that's a, that's a skill that I would love to have. Don't be unshakable. And that, that's, that's really cool. So those are some names. [00:53:54] Speaker A: Love it. Love it. Because our listeners are always listening in for, for tips. And you know, success leaves clues. So it's always good to, to get people's opinions and what they're into. Because everybody on here is completely different. We've done a lot of, a lot of episodes and everybody's a little bit different and what their interests are, which is cool for people to listen into. Do you have a fail forward moment? Do you have something you thought was going to set you back, but looking back now, it helped you move forward? [00:54:19] Speaker B: I just think the one, the one Porsche, I mean, as a coach, I mean, when you coach and that's all you're really doing it. I mean, that's all I've done. That's been my whole career. My life's work has been coaching. We struggled so poorly in 2018 that I needed to just look, look at myself and go, or look at the program, look at what I'm doing, look at what we're doing and say, look, we have got to make some adjustments here. And we basically changed a lot of the things that we did. I changed the way I spoke in recruiting. I just became more me. I just started to be more me. And not, not that I was trying to be somebody else, but whatever I said, listen, I gotta, I gotta adjust some things here that Was a, that was a tough year. You know, I mean, I think, hey. [00:55:11] Speaker A: When you say tough, what. You know, because everybody's definite. What, what was your definition of 2018 being a tough year? [00:55:19] Speaker B: Just feeling like you're not going. You have. Because wins and losses at the end of the day is what we, what we're about, you know, you want to do. Well, I just felt like I, I had let the, let everybody down. We weren't, we. We didn't, we didn't have the pieces to do. We just weren't. You get there and you go, you're not going to win today. You just felt helpless. And I mean, you coached hard, they played hard, but you just knew that just. It just like, we got to do something here. And we did. And I think that that was a big factor in my professional career that I needed to be. I needed to hit, I would say rock bottom, but damn near it, you know, to be able to recognize, hey, we need to make some adjustments here. And again, this is all during that research period that I probably still hadn't really clicked on me yet, but it was coming. And that was the, that was the one year that, that, that I feel like made it, made a change, made a difference. Going back maybe 10 or 15 years, we had a really poor team, poor character team. And I was brought in by my administrators and said, you know, the kids quit on you, and you could see it. And that didn't make me feel good. So I had to make some changes there too. And that was more of a mature thing for me. I was just like, okay, I just gotta, I gotta do. I gotta do a better job. But the 2018 was just kind of a. [00:56:59] Speaker A: Is that readjusting evaluation pieces or how do you go about making that change after 2018? [00:57:09] Speaker B: Well, we need, we need to do. We need to do a better job recruiting. We need to go out and get good players that are high character. I think that was one of the things. Not that we didn't have, you know, he didn't have bad kids, but, you know, there was always something that we just couldn't get overcome and we were trying to like, piece it together with like a junior college kid. No offense to the junior college because I coached it, but I said, we got to get some freshmen, a good freshman kids in here. The other thing that I did in 2019 is I hired a. Another coach and we fundraised for his position. Mike Petrowski, who's at North Florida now and doing a great job there, that was another thing I Had to bring in another coach, Lee Lipinski and Mike Petrowski, two former players. But I needed another guy there who was interested in being a great pitching coach. And I wanted Lee to be a great hitting coach and a great third base coach. And then they, and I tell them all the time, hey, if it wasn't for you two, we wouldn't have had that season. I'm just, we wouldn't, we wouldn't have, we just wouldn't have. So me relinquishing control, it, the old saying is you relinquish it, you get more. I think there's some truth to that. And, and I think that's another thing that I did was recognize I need more help, I can't do it all. And yeah. And guess what made a difference. [00:58:51] Speaker A: Yeah, that. That relinquishing control piece is hard to get there. But once you do finally release things, it's amazing. And stop holding on too tight to things, it's amazing what happens. [00:59:03] Speaker B: Yes. And it worked. And when I do, I do talks and I do, I do some consulting for some, some businesses and I do some keynotes. And that's, that's one of the messages there too. [00:59:21] Speaker A: What about your evening or morning routines, you like your daily habits. [00:59:28] Speaker B: I'm up early, you know, some mornings up earlier than others. When I wrote the book, it was 4am It's 4am so from 4 to 7 or 4 to 6, just work, just type, try to get things down. And well, I didn't write it was the computer but you know, you know that what I'm saying, get up. I, I try to journal, I try to read, I get coffee, I try to get in a quiet place and at least do those two things to get started. The old make my bed, you know, if I'm up really early, the wife's still in the bed, so she'll make the bed which is, that's we rare. I mean we go to the hotel. That's the first thing both of us do, make the bed. So it's, you know, it's the old success checklist type thing. But journal read. Look at my daily calendar. The most important things, I try to knock them out. I mean Ryan Bradley, ABCA 1010, 10, 10am that's there. I'll check that off and then I'll move on to the next thing. [01:00:43] Speaker A: I called it to did list. I think you, I think you build like your to do list. Yeah. But I think checking those things off, I think it gives you some motivation to keep going that you can see okay, I'm actually getting more done than I, than I thought I was getting done. [01:00:58] Speaker B: And when you do that, you feel like you're accomplishing. And guess what? You get that momentum and you just keep going. You know, it's kind of like cleaning house. You start cleaning a room, next thing you know, you clean the whole house, you know, because you just can't stop. You're on a roll feeling, you know, So I think, but I think the biggest thing is getting up early, trying to get as much accomplished as possible. I still haven't mastered the old don't put, don't open your phone up yet and knock out 9 million emails or try to answer every email. Because my problem is I get distracted. That would be one of my fallacies in the morning routine is try not to get off of the plan because when you do, next thing you know, you have trouble getting back in line. You've had those days where you just go, I got nothing done today. And then there's other days where you go, man, I, I got a lot done. And that's, that's. [01:01:53] Speaker A: You also have to give yourself grace too. I think this is what the good ones do is, is even on the days where maybe it wasn't as tight as you wanted it to be or good, you still have to forgive yourself and then focus on the days that you're actually doing it right. [01:02:08] Speaker B: Yes, I agree. Working out is important. Try to work out six days a week. I used to be an early morning workout person. Now I'm sort of a midday, mid afternoon. I might go back to mornings if I'm, if I'm coaching again if I get there, but if I don't, that's okay. Mid afternoon, sort of a reward for working hard during the middle of the day. Get my workout in, get me another, give me a latte or a coffee, sit down and then pick up whatever is next on the list and start working. [01:02:37] Speaker A: Love it. Love it. What has the ABCA convention meant to you? [01:02:43] Speaker B: Well, it's meant a lot. It's meant a lot. I mean, one, I look forward to it. It's always on my calendar. Get a chance to see people that I don't necessarily see but once a year, maybe, maybe twice. Knowledge. I mean, you got a lot of speakers. Always interested in the speaking. And I've noticed over the years early on, you know, you're in on the hitting and the fielding and the pitching and you know, the outfield play and the team stuff. Now it's more the leadership and the, and the mental game and there's still some of the other parts too. But, you know, you also want to check and see am I doing it right? Is there somebody else that's doing it better than me? So I want to make sure because I like that and I'm always willing to change. And just so I think from a knowledge standpoint, it always provides that. Most every coach that I've met along the way, if you can catch them at the right time, we can catch up and talk and certainly they would answer questions that you may have. I just think it's, it's a, it's just a good, it's a good time. I've missed one since 1991. I missed one and I had to miss it for very, you know, I was teaching some classes and one of the other teachers that that was also teaching was sick. So I took that person's class. So I couldn't go and we had lost a year anyway. So it was okay. It was okay. I didn't have to go and, and be there, but I got a chance to meet a lot of good coaches and a lot of people that I wouldn't necessarily have had a chance to meet if I didn't. Wasn't a part of the ABCA lifetime member, which I'm proud, should be proud. [01:04:24] Speaker A: Of that I'm getting closer. I'm answering closer. I got about six more years. [01:04:29] Speaker B: All right, well, you'll get there. You'll get there. Yeah. [01:04:32] Speaker A: What are some final thoughts before I let you go? [01:04:35] Speaker B: Well, I just want everybody that's, that's listening. I appreciate you, you know, tuning in and you know, there's other things if you, if, you know, if you, if you want to go to my website, drbarrydavis.com you can sign up and you can get. And we can do a free 30 minute one on one. I do several talks, one on emotional intelligence and coaching, the other one on team building, program building and then you can kind of combine those two and then, you know, the ordinary to extraordinary type discussion on how to be great as a, as a, as a person and improve. So I've done a lot of those keynotes. The website's there. You can follow me on social media, Instagram, Dr. Barry Davis, 42, doctor @barrydavis42. Twitter. And you know, I have a blog and an email subscriber list and get the book. Love for you to get the book on Amazon, read it, comment on it, review it, honestly, what you thought. And so yeah, so I want to just connect with some people And I'm going to be on several podcasts as well going forward. Not all sports, but some, some other types of podcasts that are going to focus a lot on, on the book and in my, you know, career and how I feel like that book is probably aligned with what I'm. With what I'm doing. So love to hear from you and feel free to reach out. I'm available and be willing to talk. [01:06:08] Speaker A: Thanks for your time, sir. Appreciate you. [01:06:10] Speaker B: All right, thank you. Thank you for having me. [01:06:13] Speaker A: I want to give a shout out to Barry for presenting for our virtual clinic in 2021. It was an amazing experience to see everyone come together to help us make the most out of a tough situation. Be on the lookout for his book releasing this month. Thanks again to John Litchfield, Zach Hale and Matt Weston, ABC Office, for all the help on the podcast. Feel free to reach out to me via [email protected], twitter, Instagram or TikTok Coach Babca or direct message me via the My Every Say app. This is Ryan Brownlee signing off for the American Baseball Coaches Association. Thanks and leave it better for those. [01:06:45] Speaker B: Behind you. [01:06:58] Speaker A: And you know that way Yep Wait for another day. [01:07:07] Speaker B: And the world will always return as your life. [01:07:13] Speaker A: Never for your name and you know. [01:07:18] Speaker B: That way. [01:07:21] Speaker A: Wait for another. [01:07:27] Speaker B: Day.